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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:35 am    Post subject: Ginseng  Reply with quote

What do you think of products like Cold-fX and other Ginseng related pills?

If there are opposing views, please be kind to those who see it differently.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm wary of Ginseng. I think it's got good properties and bad, and in this environment where medication is so tightly regulated that the average person accepts whatever the doctor doles out without question, I am concerned that the average person doesn't treat ginseng like real medication.

That's my main concern.

I look at herbals the same way I look at pills. I check the dosage information, the benefits, and the side-effects. I research the possible problems and make the decision as to whether the risk is worth the benefit. This approach has led me to refuse some medications that doctors have prescribed for me, and I do use herbals at times for specific needs.

Ginseng helps with the memory, but I would not take it unless I was dealing with problems in that area. My herbal of choice is kava kava, which is one of the very few substances that dampens chemical anxiety without causing chemical depression and also clears the mind. That's just my own personal use, though.

Basically, I'd have more issue with whether someone's treating it with the respect it deserves as an herbal medication and not just something neat to put in tea. Once the person is weighing the advantages and disadvantages... well, I tend to prefer herbals over pills, because in their natural forms the detriments tend to be lessened and there are other benefits that don't translate to the processed form.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to drink this fantastic ginger ale that had ginseng in it . Gave it a real bite.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the bad properties?

I'm always skeptical of a drug that has no side effects.  Miracle drug?  Generally if something really helps you, there are potential side-effects - sometimes where you have to weigh them against the initial problem.

I know Cold-FX (North American Ginseng) has had some fairly minor studies to show it somehow helps prevent getting a cold, but from what I've read, they haven't shown it helps relieve a cold you already have (and they're in trouble for that claim).  

The biggest study done was how it doesn't affect doping tests for sports - which begs to question, how does it help the athletes?

It's also expensive, and the dosages are extreme IMO.

A $5 100 pill multivitamin bottle suits me.  I'm all for taking water soluble vitamins.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/ginseng/a/ginseng.htm

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Pregnant or nursing women or children should avoid ginseng. People with hormone-dependent illnesses such as endometriosis, uterine fibroids, or cancers of the breast, ovaries, uterus, or prostate should avoid Panax ginseng because it may have estrogenic effects.

Panax ginseng may decrease the rate and force of heartbeats, so it shouldn't be used by people with heart disease unless under the supervision of a healthcare providers.

Ginseng may lower blood sugar levels, so it shouldn't be taken by people with diabetes unless under a doctor's supervision. Ginseng may worsen insomnia.

Side effects of ginseng may include nervousness, agitation, insomnia, diarrhea, headaches, high blood pressure, and heart palpitations.


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Ginseng can increase the effect of blood-thinners (antiplatelet or anti-clotting drugs), such as clopidogrel, ticlopidine (Ticlid), warfarin (Coumadin), heparin, and aspirin, which may result in uncontrolled bleeding or hemorrhage. Certain herbs, such as danshen, devil's claw, eleuthero, garlic, ginger, horse chestnut, papain, red clover, and saw palmetto, can also increase the risk of bleeding if combined with ginseng.

Ginseng may affect heart rhythm and can increase potential side effects from theophylline (and similar asthma drugs), albuterol, clonidine, sildenafil citrate (Viagra).

Panax ginseng may interact with insulin and other drugs for diabetes, such as metformin (Glucophage), glyburide (Glynase), glimepiride (Amaryl), and glipizide (Glucotrol XL).

Ginseng may interfere with the metabolism of monoamine oxidase inhibitors such as phenelzine sulfate (Nardil), tranylcypromine sulfate (Parnate) and isocabaxazid (Marplan). It's also believed to affect levels of neurotransmitters (chemicals that carry messages from nerve cells to other cells) and may interact with antipsychotic drugs such as chlorpromazine (Thorazine) and fluphenazine (Prolixin).

Ginseng stimulates the central nervous system, so it may increase the effects of prescription drugs that do the same (such as medications for attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, narcolepsy, and obesity. The combination may raise heart rate and blood pressure.

Ginseng has been found to interfere with the metabolism of drugs processed by an enzyme called cyp3A4. Ask your doctor to check if you are taking medications of this type.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J Elric Smith wrote:
I used to drink this fantastic ginger ale that had ginseng in it . Gave it a real bite.
Ken
I stick with the Champagne of Ginger Ales.... Canada Dry!


@GR - those are some serious potential side-effects.  Thanks for bringing them to our attention!

Apparently there are three types - Asian Ginseng, American Ginseng, and so-called Siberian Ginseng, which isn't a ginseng at all but has similar effects. (http://www.essortment.com/lifestyle/sideeffectsgin_trew.htm)

Check this from the Cold-FX site!

Much of this supports GR's post!

Yet they also state:
"10. Are there any side effects associated with COLD-fX?
No side effects are observed in laboratory studies when given at 500 times higher than the recommended dose at 1 time and 25 times higher than the recommended dose for 30 days. In clinical studies, side effects have also not been associated with the recommended dosing regimen. Although there are no known interactions with herbs, drugs or medical conditions, individuals with serious medical conditions or taking medications should consult a health care practitioner before taking COLD-fX."


I also read in various places that they can not make distinctions between side-effects and therapeutic effects with ginseng.

Perhaps a more neutral (but old-2006-source).

From eHow:
"Cold-fX uses North American ginseng (Panax quinquefolius) rather than Asian ginseng (Panax ginseng). Cold-fX's manufacturers believe that the North American version is better suited at immune boosting but without the stimulant effects of the Asian version that may lead to adverse effects."

It does seem mainly to be advocated (Cold FX) by athletes.

Health Canada via CBC:
"The government safety review confirmed the safety profile of Cold-fX with no known side effects or drug interactions for generally healthy individuals. This is very rare as most approved medicines, including over-the-counter cough and cold products, are associated with some adverse side effects."

Now, it's success also makes some people money and creates jobs....
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, when I'm not pregnant, if I feel a cold coming on, I can shorten its duration and severity with a SoBe Lizzard Blizzard. It's a horribly coconut-flavored drink that is best served cold to blunt the taste, but it contains the three-punch zinc, vitamin C, and echinacea mixture that really makes a difference for me.

Would I try this ginseng drink for colds if I were not nursing? I might! Once I'd done what you're doing now and treated it with the respect it deserves, as you're doing.

What else can be discussed about it?

Do I think things like this should be added to FDA regulation, perhaps requiring a doctor's prescription or whatnot? No, I do not. In fact, I believe that fewer things should require a doctor's prescription, and that we should do as our grandparents did and actually take the time and energy to understand what we're eating and drinking.

I'm not entirely adverse to the FDA, and I do appreciate the requirements of ingredient lists and nutrient tables. But though knowledge is power, it's the control/restrictions I do not favor.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What else can be discussed about it? ???
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You must to know what should eat because if you do not know what you eat, and you eat only processed food or fast food etc. you haven't enough vitamins for your organism and your child...Unfortunately, we don't know about processed food usually has no vitamins, only has sugar and chemistry. No suggest ads, which say that theirs products are healthly and fit...If you want to be healthy and your
pregnancy too you should eat a lot of vegetables and fruits! They can give you more vitamins than popular tablets with it...


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